Cuda-W front subframe III

By Warren Beauchamp


Aside from a chain-derailment during the 100 lap race in Northbrook, the Cuda-W performed well in 2007. At the 2007 Hawkeye downs races, conditions were good and the track was plenty big enough to be safe at the near 40MPH speeds I ran at, but I was still unable to beat Dennis Grelk in my old Barracuda 'liner. He was consistently about 1/2 lap ahead of me.  Curses!

So 2008 is here and I need to go faster this year. How do I do it?

Training in the 'liner position.
The streamliner is much more upright than the Nocom which I normally train on, so I really need to train in that position to be competitive.

Better aerodynamics.
Hmm. All I can do there is add the little door for the landing gear, finish fairing in the rear wheel disk, and see if I can close in the front wheel a little. But not too much! I need some air in that thing!

Improve the drivetrain efficiency.
While the Rohloff hub works nicely, offers a very wide range of gearing, and makes for a very simple drivetrain, I can't help but think I am losing a bunch of precious watts making all those little tiny gears spin around. I will build a new derailleur based drivetrain to replace the trusty Rohloff.

It looks like if I use the 85T chainring that Dennis made for me at the high speed events, and the 67T chainring I am using now at the HPRA events, in conjunction with step up gearing and a BMX hub, I will have a versatile and high efficiency drivetrain.

I found this very interesting article from IHPVA Human Power #52, detailing testing of internal hubs vs a standard 27 speed derailleur system.

Basically it says that at 200 watts, the derailleur system is on the average 2% more efficient than the Rohloff 14 speed hub. 2% of 200 watts is 4 watts, which doesn't seem like much.

But...

When you look at the Rohloff hub efficiency for each of the gears, you can see that the upper 3 gears were only about 89% efficient. I spend all my time in those gears while blasting around the track!

The top 3 gears of the derailleur system in this graph seem to be more variable in efficiency than I can believe, so I'm going to arbitrarily throw out the 90% data point and say that that system is around 93.5% efficient for top gears on the derailleur system.

This gives 4.5% difference in efficiency. I can work with that!

4.5% of 200 watts is 9 watts, which still doesn't seem like much, but...

According to the HPV speed simulator, the Cuda-W goes 39.942 MPH with 200 watts, and goes 40.77   MPH with 209 watts. That's .828 MPH, which also doesn't seem like much until you realize that during a 1 hour time trial on the Hawkeye downs track, that makes me 2 laps faster! That may be all I need!

This 2% efficiency gain may be further mitigated by the multi-chain step up drive needed to construct the derailleur gearing system. Because of this I'm going to keep the old drive system around, just in case the new one doesn't seem any faster.


Gearing
According to the gear inch calculator:

Battle Mountain drivetrain
85T chainring + 11T -> 30T step up gearing + 18T BMX hub gear  = 68MPH at 100RPM with a 406mm (18") Stelvio drive tire (75MPH at 110RPM).

HPRA drivetrain
Changing to the to the 67T chainring gets me to a speed of 54MPH at 100RPM. That's a bit high for HPRA racing. I will need to change the intermediary gearing as well. Looks like I will be using a custom mid-drive cluster to allow for track specific gearing changes. I always was a gearhead...
67T chainring + 11T -> 24T step up gearing + 18T BMX hub gear  = 39MPH at 90RPM with a 406mm (18") Stelvio drive tire (47MPH at 110RPM). Perfect.

 

2/02/08
I brazed up the fork for the narrowed hub with BMX freewheel. This makes a nice narrow package.
I temporarily attached  a cog set and derailleur to the top of the Cuda-W subframe. This position would allow the large cog to be used to drive the BMX Freewheel.

The derailleur is attached directly to the axle shaft. The derailleur bolt is the same size as the axle shaft, so a long axle nut attaches them nicely.

Unfortunately, my knee hits the derailleur. I tried everything I could to work around the issue, but apparently this type of drive only works if you have short legs.

Unless the many fine people that have suggested possible solutions to this dilemma can figure out a workaround, it will be back to the old drivetrain.

Along those lines, I changed the old skate wheel idler to the larger NoCom Idler. That should be slightly more efficient plus it will give me tire clearance so I can use the 85T Grelk chain ring.

2/05/08
Larry Lem supplied suggested moving the mid drive forward as far as possible. This way the chain ring drives a small cog on the mid-drive, with no idlers needed due to the close proximity. Also My knee won't hit it.  On the hub side of the mid-drive, the chain would pass through several idlers as well as the derailleur guides. I still think this would be more efficient than the Rohlhoff, especially while coasting which seems to be particularly draggy. Rube Goldberg, here I come.
2/18/2008
After some thinking and drawing  I noticed that the derailleur cluster cannot be mounted that close to the chainring unless I invent a new power side derailleur for the cluster. Because I don't really want to do that, it's back to the drawing board.

Eric Ball suggested I try the Dahon Neos (Suntour) derailleur. It mounts forward of the axle, routes the cable forward, and is very low profile. I ordered one from the LBS.
 

Here's the latest drivetrain mockup. After some pedaling with the drivetrain screwed to my workbench, it appears that this configuration may work with the low profile derailleur.

I will need to raise the cluster about another 1/2", and be sure to add a knee guard to prevent accidental bumps into the cluster from getting bloody when getting bounced around at speed. I'm hoping to be able to add the mount for the cluster to the existing frame.

3/02/08
I picked up the Neos derailleur and though nothing fancy, it looked good. Over the weekend I mounted the derailleur on the mocked up drive-train, and raised the cassette about a half inch. My knee now clears the cluster, and it appears it will only rub on the derailleur when my knee gets bounced to the inside during a wind buffet or while flailing. It should be a soft hit on a rounded portion of the derailleur. I cut a couple parts for the actual mid-drive mount. Initially  Because the chain has to flex over an inch to the outside when I'm in the top gears, I need to make some different spacers for the chain-ring, to ensure it is mounted as far out toward the crank as possible.
3/08/08
Here's the new derailleur mount, ready for brazing, but it's too cold outside today for brazing, so instead I'm typing away on the computer.

It stands about 1.5" above the top frame tube. I mount this assembly to the frame temporarily, then mount the sub-frame back into the 'liner and do some more testing before I make it permanent. I don't want to burn any bridges and will keep the capability of using the old drive-train on the same sub-frame. Once I have determined it's all good, I'll slather it in epoxy and CF.

Here's the wide range cluster I will be using, with the Neos derailleur mounted to the axle bolt. The silver tab below the mounting bolt will be connected to an aluminum strap to keep the derailleur in place and provide a guard to keep my knee out of the gears.
4/12/08
Work has stalled on the new Cuda-W drivetrain. The chain angle between the chainring and the cog set is so severe that when I'm in the smaller gears the chain rubs the derailleur cage on the non-power side, and rubs the chainring guard on the power side. In addition to that, the drive chain that goes to the wheel is so close to the frame that it will rub with the slightest turn. Because of this I have decided I will need to create a crossover drivetrain where the cogset is mounted to a narrow BB, which transfers the power to a cog on the left side of the bike, then down to a lefty drive on the wheel. Because I don't have time to do all that now, I just repainted the old drivetrain and put it back together with the Rohloff hub.
   

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